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JB On 'Enough Rope - with Andrew Denton' - par Jarrah le 14/08/2006 ¤ 18:49

  Vidéo de l'interview :   video Watch the Interview Online

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  Voici l'interview de John Butler dans l' "Enough Rope" :

 

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      John Butler started out with no plan beyond the life of busking. A decade later he's our most popular guitarist, a multi-platinum artist, owner of a handful of ARIA awards and a proud dad.

ANDREW DENTON: Here's a taste of his work.

(FOOTAGE PLAYS)

ANDREW DENTON: Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome John Butler. Welcome to 'The Rope'.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, thank you.

ANDREW DENTON: You didn't grow up wanting to be a muso, you wanted to be Rambo, didn't you?

JOHN BUTLER: Yes. Yes, we're getting stuck right into it.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes, yes.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, I did, I did. I wanted to - I sat my parents down and said, "Hey, I'm going to - I want to die for my country one day, mum," and my mum would be really freaked out and so would my dad and go, "Oh I hope this passes."

ANDREW DENTON: So was it the full soldier's dress up?

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, yes, and they were even open minded enough to send me, or I asked to go to these things, like it's called Young Marines.

ANDREW DENTON: Young Marines?

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, it's where you send children to be abused by older Marines, which is really funny.

ANDREW DENTON: Do they ship you home in 'My First Body Bag'?

JOHN BUTLER: I mean they might as well. They might as well, you know. You get the full get up eventually, and, you know, the first morning you wake up they've been down the hallway and come with baseball bats against the bunks and all the 12 year olds fall out and sprain their ankles. You're just going, "What's going on? Why did I want to do..." They allowed me to do that. Like, I wanted to go there. I don't think I could be that open minded, but they did.

ANDREW DENTON: Until your parents split up when you were about 11, you lived in California as a kind of a skater dude, and then you moved to Pinjarra in Western Australia. What sort of a culture shock was that?

JOHN BUTLER: I moved to Australia as an army dude and then discovered skateboarding after I had give away the guns. It was a huge culture shock actually. It was, you know. My dad being Australian, I knew a bit about Australia, like 'Tie me Kangaroo Down, Sport' and...

ANDREW DENTON: Oh why that?

JOHN BUTLER: "Six white boomers, snow white boomers, racing Santa Claus," and I had a lot of Australiana around me, I guess you could say. So moving to Australia was - from LA to Pinjarra, it was just a totally different world. The school I went to in LA had eight foot high fences and they locked you in, and I went to school with every race imaginable. Then I went to a school that had no fences around it at all and I was like, "People just leave. You can just leave school. What's up with that?" It was mainly white, with a couple of Aboriginal kids in those. So it was just interesting to be, "There's that American kid," and, like, that was to stand out. I never stood out in LA. You're just one of many.

ANDREW DENTON: We've got here the Dubro, Dobo, Dobro. How do you pronounce it?

JOHN BUTLER: I pronounce it Dobro, but other people pronounce it Dubro.

ANDREW DENTON: Which you inherited when you were 16. This has a family connection, doesn't it?

JOHN BUTLER: (inaudible).

ANDREW DENTON: It's a beautiful piece.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes. Yes, I inherited it when I was 16 from my grandmother.

ANDREW DENTON: Tell me the story.

JOHN BUTLER: I'll tell you the story. Well, my grandfather died in 1958 in a mammoth forest fire in the south west of Western Australia, leaving eight children. He played this at barbecues and stuff. He used to play - what's that song he used to play? I keep wanting to learn it. Danny Boy, that's it. He used to play Danny Boy.

ANDREW DENTON: Danny Boy on this?

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, he used to play (indistinct), too, which is a strange thing that this man from the south west of Western Australia was having this southern country blues instrument/Hawaiian. So anyway he passed away and the first child to learn how to play it was to receive the guitar, and I did, I learnt how to play. On my 16th birthday my mum gave me this extremely beautiful and deeply inspiring thing. It's a bit of a heavy thing, you know.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes?

JOHN BUTLER: Like, "This is your grandfather's guitar, you'd better be good at it". And, I don't know where to start, and then got interested in a... [plays guitar].

ANDREW DENTON: What can a slide guitar give you that a...

JOHN BUTLER: I'm going to put this away, I'm not going to talk to you at all, man...

ANDREW DENTON: No, keep it with you, that's fine. That's beautiful. I'll just sit here and listen. I love music but have not the first idea how to play it. What does a slide guitar give you emotionally or musically that another guitar doesn't?

JOHN BUTLER: When you're doing it right it feels bloody great, that's all I can tell you. When you're doing it wrong, it sounds worse. Because with a normal guitar in frets, you can fret it and you're just going to be on the note. When you're not on the note with this, you - how do you say - suck ass. So you're in tune, but the minute, if you're going to go [plays music] well a lot of my contemporaries would say that sounds pretty good as well. [Plays guitar] But you can be a little bit out. So there is an art to it that I'm learning more and more through my contemporaries, like Jeff Lang and Bob Brosnan, and a lot of great players who are really pushing the boundaries of this instrument.

ANDREW DENTON: Because you've said that the quest for a good gig is addictive.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes.

ANDREW DENTON: What does a great night feel like?

JOHN BUTLER: I don't know, what a good church sitting would be like or a good corroboree would be like, when you feel completely at one with your community and have a sense of purpose and connection to something that's a lot bigger than you. I just described it. That's what it's like.

ANDREW DENTON: That's beautiful.

JOHN BUTLER: It's like that, you know? It's like a communion. It's like church, it's very sacred. It's spiritual, it's fun, it's exciting. It could be scary as hell, it makes you realise why you're here. For me, it made me real - it's like, "Okay, this is why I come up here and scare the hell out of myself every night," because sometimes this happens.

ANDREW DENTON: But also spiritual as you've described. You sought music, you left uni and started busking...

JOHN BUTLER: Yes.

ANDREW DENTON: What kind of a busker were you? Were you a kind of 'Needle and the damage done', 'Times are a Changin' busker?

JOHN BUTLER: No, I wasn't.

ANDREW DENTON: Good.

JOHN BUTLER: I found my voice on this instrument and I played the instrumentals. I played Celtic influence, Indian influence and Blues influence in instrumentals. I noticed right away that something very unique always stood out more than 'The Times are a Changin'. Great song, but it's good to hear Dylan play it.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes. Good point. When you are out there busking, what's the energy like? What's it like to be out there? Because you're drawing people purely on the strength of what you do?

JOHN BUTLER: Yes. Well the first time I did it, it was great. I borrowed a battery powered amp from my friend and I went out there and I attracted people and they liked what I did. They asked for tapes and they gave me money. It was amazing, man. I was like, you know, all your life you're kind of struggling to either find your voice or your place in society, and then all of a sudden you stand next to a rubbish bin with your instrument and make faces that scare children, and people love it, you know. I was like, "Damn, wow, okay, this is working. There's a flow going on here," which is important. So I just kept on doing it. What I learnt from busking was about dynamics, I guess, and how to hold an audience. Usually, when you get a good crowd, that takes about 10 minutes - well, it could take all your life - but it took about 10 minutes. Then after you hold them and you stop with, hopefully, a finale of some sort, then you start marketing yourself pretty quickly by going - because I listened to the people who asked for tapes, and said, "Hey, I've got tapes, 10 dollars. There's a hat here. Please feel welcome," and you do that between every song. So you learn very quickly about being self-funded, you know.

ANDREW DENTON: The word spread about you very, very quickly, and going back to some of your tapes, you started touring and selling CDs that you'd sell out of the back of the van. It's unusual mixture of this artistic bent and a real business acumen. Where did the business nous come from?

JOHN BUTLER: I think when you're busking, any good busker does it. But also I come from two parents that have always been self employed, so I guess it just came naturally. You've got your hands and you feed yourself with them, literally, and just that hard working ethic that my dad and my mum both have.

ANDREW DENTON: Some people struggle with that. You've been labelled, by some, a hypocrite because, hey, here you are a feral, a guy that sings about big business, and then here you are, you have a business and...

JOHN BUTLER: Yes.

ANDREW DENTON: ...You have your own website where you can buy merchandise and so on.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes...

ANDREW DENTON: Do you see where they're coming from?

JOHN BUTLER: I don't have a problem with business. I mean that's ridiculous in this day and age, to have a problem with business. I have a problem with a big business that goes to a place and trashes the hell out of it and leaves the community there with nothing and leaves the country with nothing and pisses off with a bunch of cash. I have a problem with that. A big problem with that. That just gets back, not as a political bent or environmental bent or any other bent or 'ism', it's just about respect and justice.

ANDREW DENTON: You have, however, put your body and your wallet where your heart is. You've given plenty of money to the Wilderness Society, to Greenpeace, to others. We've got some footage of you here at a protest in the Styx Valley in Tasmania. John performing at a very high altitude.

(FOOTAGE PLAYS)

ANDREW DENTON: I bet your grandfather never expected his guitar to get up to the top of one of those.

JOHN BUTLER: No, that was a good day.

ANDREW DENTON: What's it like to be in the middle of that incredible old forest?

JOHN BUTLER: It's beautiful, absolutely beautiful. It makes you wonder why anybody would want to cut it, burn it, woodchip it.

ANDREW DENTON: Well I can explain that, you see...

JOHN BUTLER: Oh, money?

ANDREW DENTON: No, no. You see, this is giving trees an opportunity to travel.

JOHN BUTLER: Thank you.

ANDREW DENTON: That's alright.

JOHN BUTLER: I've been wondering all this time.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes. You're not thinking, John.

JOHN BUTLER: I'm not.

ANDREW DENTON: No.

JOHN BUTLER: Man. I've just had a revelation, folks. I've got to go.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes. You know, they could end up as a toothpick in a boardroom of a big company. Most trees don't get to do that.

JOHN BUTLER: I mean that's exciting stuff.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes, that is.

JOHN BUTLER: See the world, travel.

ANDREW DENTON: That's right.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes.

ANDREW DENTON: Upwardly mobile.

JOHN BUTLER: Be all you can be as a tree.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes, exactly.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes.

ANDREW DENTON: You've still got a marine in you. I can tell.

JOHN BUTLER: Propaganda, man, it stays in the nervous system.

ANDREW DENTON: Your wife Danielle is here. Hi, Danielle.

DANIELLE BUTLER: Hi.

ANDREW DENTON: John's described himself as both a yobbo and sensitive. Is 'a sensitive yobbo' a good way to characterise him?

DANIELLE BUTLER: Absolutely. You never know what to expect with John. He can cuddle you or wrestle you to the ground any minute. But that's the fun dynamic of being with him. He takes risks personally, professionally and emotionally that I don't often witness in other people, and that's the yobbo aspect. He'll take wild risks with himself.

ANDREW DENTON: Give me an example of a risk which has made you hold your breath.

DANIELLE BUTLER: Coming on your show.

ANDREW DENTON: That's a low level risk.

DANIELLE BUTLER: Just being independent and remaining independent and the way he'll stand up for what he believes in and voices what he needs to voice. I'm not as brave as that in my own character and I often go, "Ooh, are you sure you want to put yourself out there like that?" John's like, "Well just I have to because I feel it so strongly." I really admire that about him and it's taught me a lot about not always taking the middle ground, actually having the guts to say, "I don't agree with that, that doesn't feel right and doesn't feel fair," even though the majority of people may be willing to not say anything about it.

ANDREW DENTON: Something you've done together, which you set up in the last year or so, is JBC, where you've given money to artists who are coming through. What led to that?

JOHN BUTLER: It was just a dream come true for us really. We dreamt about it for three or four years and by the time 'Sunrise Over Sea', our last album, hit, we had the infrastructure as a business and we had the money as a business to start giving it away, because you don't need a whole heap of it to be happy. So we started to do that. We got together with some very switched on crew and put together this program called the JBC, where we give money to starting artists who want to become self-sufficient. I think it's the most important thing. Me and Dan think this is about, and our motto, I guess, is an old one, "Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach him how to fish, he eats forever." It's very important. Most artists, most of them don't want to be famous, they don't want to be rich, they just want to be able to pay the bills, eat and feed their family and not go to the job they hate, have to do that. That's all they want to do.

ANDREW DENTON: You've given tens of thousands - I don't know what the actual figure is, somewhere about 80, I think. You've encouraged people like the Waifs and Missy Higgins, they've contributed, but I know it's your dream to...

JOHN BUTLER: Cat Empire.

ANDREW DENTON: Cat Empire. It's your dream to get the big promoters, like Gudinski and Coppel and these guys, to put some of their ticket profits towards this as well. Have you actually fronted them and put this to them?

JOHN BUTLER: Have we actually gone there yet?

DANIELLE BUTLER: We haven't, we just keep sort of putting it in - it's sly like this. We're hoping they watch your show, and then we'll contact them and go, "Have you seen Denton?"

ANDREW DENTON: So I've got to do the work?

DANIELLE BUTLER: You've actually got to do the work. We're hoping that you'll do it for us.

JOHN BUTLER: You were briefed.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes, I was briefed. Michael Gudinski, give your money. He responds to that a lot, you know. But that's a good point. Is that such a hard thing to ask of these guys?

DANIELLE BUTLER: The concept is that there are a lot of international bands that tour Australia, and to build up the local scene, having 30, 50, 60, 70 cents per ticket going towards a program like the JBC, or another program if someone wanted to set something up, that went towards helping emerging artists become more formidable in what they do and have a better understanding of how to do what they do well.

ANDREW DENTON: So why wouldn't you front them directly?

DANIELLE BUTLER: I will...

ANDREW DENTON: You will...

DANIELLE BUTLER: ...Next year. I'm having a baby this year.

ANDREW DENTON: Yes, you are. You're having a baby.

DANIELLE BUTLER: That's this priority and then...

ANDREW DENTON: In a few months time. This will be your second child.

DANIELLE BUTLER: Second child.

ANDREW DENTON: Congratulations, by the way.

DANIELLE BUTLER: Thank you.

ANDREW DENTON: Have a beautiful baby, on behalf of all of us. I was interested, before Banjo was born, your little girl, John said that he was kind of a bit pessimistic about the world. I'll ask you first, John, what was that about?

JOHN BUTLER: Sorry, I was, like, busy stretching. I'd really like some of your water, Andrew. Is that possible?

ANDREW DENTON: No, of course. You can have 10 per cent of my water. You can have it all, please.

JOHN BUTLER: You sure?

ANDREW DENTON: Mm'hm.

JOHN BUTLER: Well my cup is empty.

ANDREW DENTON: Which brings us back to pessimism, beautiful.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, you just look at the world, you watch the news, and you can lose hope about us as human beings.

ANDREW DENTON: How do you keep it?

JOHN BUTLER: Having children. Being positive, love. As cliched as it sounds, when my daughter came into this world, I caught her with my hands. Just an overwhelming amount of love came into my life. I thought I knew about love and then you have a child and it's like discovering another organ or something. It's like, "Woo, oh my goodness gracious me." There is this, "Wow, human beings are great." That's exactly what happens. You think, "Wow, the potential to do this."

ANDREW DENTON: You said an interesting thing. You did an interview with the West Australian, your local newspaper I guess, earlier this year and you said what you don't like about yourself is that you don't love yourself enough. You've got too much self doubt. Why is that?

JOHN BUTLER: Well, Andrew, I guess it's for a lot of reasons. A series of events that happen in your life that make you feel that you're a piece of turd. I fight it every day and I'm getting a lot better at it, but we need several hours to say why I think that way. It has a lot to do with - I've always been a bit different, in being a little bit outcast and a bit teased or harassed. That kind of makes you question who you are all the time. Then moving to this country, which really tested that, and then having some teachers do crazy things, like literally in grade five a teacher would just grab me out of my class, not physically, sent another kid to get me and put me in front of his class and interrogated me on why I rode my bike off the oval. It freaked me out. It entertained the kids immensely and I'm sitting in front going, "What the hell is this about?" I still don't know what it was about, other than that teacher's ego trip and maybe not liking the new Yank at school. He is also the same teacher that said, told the kids to stay away from me or they'd get 100 demons. So those kind of things make you question what - you know, when you have friends come up to you or you come up to your friends and they go, "Can't do this right now. Later, John. I'm going to get in trouble." Then you're at a party in Mandurah and somebody hears your accents and sticks you up against the wall and wants to throttle you or smacks you in the head for no apparent reason other than that you have this bloody accent, which has got me in trouble more than it's ever helped me out. I would have lost it by now if I could, I really would have. Nothing against the American people, but it doesn't - especially in this day and age. Now an Aussie accent doesn't do you much good either. It's like I've got these two passports, going, "These are liabilities."

ANDREW DENTON: I've got one for you - try Danish. They love it.

JOHN BUTLER: Yes, right. So those are reasons why one questions themselves. I guess for those reasons.

ANDREW DENTON: That's a big thing, though, you said, to feel like a turd.

JOHN BUTLER: Well, I mean...

ANDREW DENTON: Through your life, that's...

JOHN BUTLER: ...For want of a better word. I can use all kinds of words. 'Turd' was the most...

ANDREW DENTON: Yes, no, it wasn't the word I was taking exception to. That's a big thing to feel about yourself. That's a terrible picture of yourself.

JOHN BUTLER: What? Yes. It is. Hey, you're right. I should stop that. I know that, yes, at times, but everybody's their own worst critic. I've sold out shows at the Palais in Melbourne and had a standing ovation three times and thought, "Yes, but they're just doing that," maybe, because, hey, I don't know why this is, it's a psychological thing. I don't know what it is, but you're just always striving for perfection. There's no such thing as perfection, but you strive for it and your mistakes are sometimes people's favourite part of the gig. You try to remember those things, but as I said, when you're on stage with a beautiful theatre, purpose designed for this event and it's all focused here and you're going, "Check this stuff out. Isn't it all pretty?" There's a process. This is a cathartic hobby for me. It's a healing thing. Definitely I'm a better person for music and doing what I do and that beautiful woman there, than without it.

ANDREW DENTON: When this man comes home, Danielle, do you sometimes just have to stroke him on the forehead and say, "Stop, stop, it's okay"?

DANIELLE BUTLER: Yes, he can work himself up, but we can both be a bit like that. We're very hypercritical, but I think that's because we strive to be the best we can. Especially John. He strives to be the best he can in every situation, he's...

JOHN BUTLER: So does she.

DANIELLE BUTLER: ...Got very high integrity...

ANDREW DENTON: Mm.

DANIELLE BUTLER: I think that's what always keeps him questioning and not always doubting, but at least questioning, just going, "Am I being the best I can and how can I be better if I'm not?" It's not always a destructive process. It can be a constructive process.

JOHN BUTLER: It's not about getting along.

ANDREW DENTON: Last question. You're going to play us out at the end of the show, 'Peaches and Cream', with Shannon and Michael. Can you tell us about the song, why you want to play it?

JOHN BUTLER: It's kind of the definitive song of my last three years in a way. It's a different way of writing for me, I guess. It wasn't about guitar playing or it wasn't about the struggle, it was about love. It was simple, it was clean. It's about a very crossroads part of my life. I took another road, chose to take another road, the road of love and being positive for the most part, and the lyrics in the song, or the name of the album, 'Sunrise Over Sea', was a brand new day. It was a brand new day and so bring it on. That's what I said and so I'm living that day and it's good.

ANDREW DENTON: Hey, John Butler,

JOHN BUTLER: Yes,

ANDREW DENTON: Thank you for not being perfect.

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